Shopping isn’t rocket science, or is it?
By Shonali Muthalaly & Sudhish Kamath
(For a change, we let the lady fire the first salvo, instead of just responding every time, we decided we would take turns every week in going first because the person answering always seems to have an unfair advantage of just replying.
Also, people may be reminded that this is just a humour column. Not to be taken seriously or emotionally. But then, many women do not have a sense of humour… ha ha! And the intention has never been to be politically correct, it is purely to be irreverent and get a good fight out of manipulating existing stereotypes! So it basically means, I do (sometimes) pay for my food, and even open doors and so does Shonali!)
SHE SAYS
I suppose they think it’s macho. As they stand around, idly tossing back beers and burping, somebody or the other will bring up the topic of ‘women and shopping.’ And then, it’s like the floodgates have opened. One guy will make smart cracks about his wife’s shoe collection, the other will discuss a girlfriend who stocks up on soaps. Someone knows a girl who has… gasp… six pairs of jeans. And someone else has it on good authority that no woman is satisfied unless she owns at least 12 different types of daily wear hair products – each of which need about an hour of intensive pre-purchase research.
What the guys don’t reveal, or perhaps even realise, is the fact that men shop too. And, in many ways, are far more obsessive, extravagant and indecisive shoppers than their female counterparts.
For every woman with a shoe addiction, there’s a guy with a, well, shoe addiction. (At least women need to match their shoes with outfits, colours and occasions: sneakers for a barbecue, low heels for the day, stilettos for dining out. But why in the world do men need twelve pairs? Brown from breakfast, black for lunch, brown for dinner, black for brunch?) For every woman with a soap, or scarf, or ear ring collection, there’s a man, who collects CDs, or belts, or, um, ear rings. Or maybe, if he’s really ‘macho’, whiskeys, cigars or electronic non-essentials. For every woman who buys 12 hair products there’s a guy who buys an equal number of aftershaves. And trendy ‘metrosexual’ hair gels.
And if you think women take a long time to decide on which outfit to buy, ask a male friend to take you shopping for a cell phone, or laptop. Besides the fact that you’ll have to listen to lengthy lectures on tough concepts like ‘battery life’ and ‘blue tooth technology’ (because, of course, we women operate computers with will power and lipstick alone), you’ll be lucky if you get home before your hair turns grey and you’re forced to borrow some of his spiffy new hair colour.
HE SAYS
A man with 12 pairs of shoes must be gay. Or an actor/VJ/model/someone in showbiz/someone who wants to get there.
Well, most women have a wrong notion of men probably because they hang out with only those kind of men who remind them of themselves. Most men I know just have formal shoes and/or casual shoes and then, they have chappals – one for the bathroom and one for the road. Because, they do not feel the need to colour co-ordinate shoes with their clothes like women do.
As women often allege, men are colour blind indeed. Because, men believe it is adequate to know that coffee, cocoa, chocolate, beige, khakhi, auburn, hazelnut are all just brown. It helps decision-making easy. You walk to the rack and it doesn’t take rocket science or research to figure out what’s best. You don’t need to know what colour it is when you can simply point it to the salesman and say: “I want that one.”
Men have very basic needs. We are simple people. And if they read up on gizmos, it’s because these are expensive investments. Research not only makes for a wise investment, it also helps you make a wise choice much ahead of your actual purchase and thus, helps you save valuable shopping time that can be used for wiser purposes.
Like, checking out an interesting, definitive book or magazine or movie on women, or just the real thing: people-watching in a mall. Who says men don’t like women for the time they take at the store? Men do like checking out anything remotely interesting at the malls. Let them make their choice while you make yours.
(Men could do with a mental note: There’s a price to pay for anything you pick up at the mall and it’s directly proportional to her purchase.)
Both of you seem to be right? kaunsa side le hum
this one reads like a cool breeze, unlike the other ones….
oh i have a row of things to ask?!!!
a, I dont get it..by scoring browning points at how men are also shopping obsessed are u trying to trash women..
‘Besides the fact that you’ll have to listen to lengthy lectures on tough concepts like ‘battery life’ and ‘blue tooth technology’ (because, of course, we women operate computers with will power and lipstick alone)’i mean what are u trying to say? are u also saying that women are’nt techie savvy?(to muthalaly)
b, and to you sudhish, women dont have a good sense of humour? dude..apparently youve not had a taste of witty women, who exist in plenty…i actually pity u u know…see u have one sob story right above you…lol and may be u just lack the ability in finding them…or jus stop getting intimidated by them…!!
‘A man with 12 pairs of shoes must be gay. Or an actor/VJ/model/someone in showbiz/someone who wants to get there.’ get where?? and who in this bloody world told you gays own 12 pairs of shoes? u know that could be offensive to gays?? dont point fingers at me asking me if im one…im not…but its jus not right..its an opression of one kind…u must be shot dead to have posted such matter in the blog..i mean after a point its not a matter of taking things light…i dont even want to begin to state your other comments…i mean i used to love what u write…now ive lost it all..i cant believe you guys stick to such cliches..i wonder what u guys where thinking when u even thought bout the whole ‘he says she says deal’..get a better look at life…do u atually publish such shit in the paper??!! -movie maniac, maidenmissed.
vasanthi:
Thats the idea we start off with when we write. we try to make both sides equally convincing. 😉
Krishna Kumar:
did it? Not going by the comment below yours! ha ha!
MaidenMissed:
*Gives her a glass of water*
🙂 You obviously havent read the disclaimer on top, have you?
Here’s a word of advice: Don’t read shit. Ignore. Cheers!
Cuz the next time I see you taking this seriously, that’s what I’d be doing! 🙂
and hey!!
there’s nothing derogatory abt the gay reference! where did u get that?
if u really care about gay people, stop discriminating them by giving them a special-sensitive status… just let them be, like you and me… they can handle a joke on their wardrobe and sure understand what a no-holds barred humour column is all about unlike some of us here!
And don’t get personal… cuz I wud hate to give it back to you. I’ll let this one pass but watch what you say, lady!
Cheers!
ok first of all…the *gives her a glass of water* bit -tad adorable…
second of all…i am not here giving em gays a ‘special sensitive’ status..it is offensive to any one when you make such statements…and i wasnt getting personal…in fact i did read ur disclaimer..thats why i said..’after a point it is not about taking things light’…
anyway i still disagree with the stereotypical ideas as to what men and women do…but if it came across like i was serious and shooting my mouth off..it is an act of impulse.. cos this is one thing im all poignant bout…besides truth is when u act on impulse:)- maidenmissed
maidenmissed:
when you get impulsive, u speak the truth? u called some anonymous guy a “wuss” two posts ago…
now, that’s offensive, cuz u made out “wuss” to be an abuse… that IS derogatory!
at least, i didn’t use the word “gay” as seriously and emotionally as u did, it was done on a lighter note to take a dig at gay people’s wardrobe and men who do have that many shoes!
This is one of the best columns Ive come across. The whole funda of ‘riposte’s’ is simply not encouraged in our papers…pretty sad. And finally, we have one column, tackling such a pet subject(gender sterotypes), with two quick-witted commentators… and there is somebody who finds fault with it? Its alarming to see that people will take a innocuous word so seriously! Please…get a life! And Suds and Shonali, go all out!!!
Shelob.
Maiden missed-An article of this sort is meant for fun.About women and shopping the whole world knows about it. I being a woman I can accept the fact. whats wrong in accepting something which the world even otherwise knows.And to your support you even had shonali do the talking favouring women-so whats all the fuss about.I think when you comment even if you dont accept something that is written in the blog-one is you should not comment under anonymous and if you do be careful with the usage of words cos no one has forced you to read this blog
Entertaining as ever. Giving the lady the lead is a smart option.She can speak as much as she wishes to and then you can trip her, royally at that!
aaah, we have a bunch of ‘Sudhish supporters’ here dont we??…well what can i say…its your blog..oh and whatelse do i call a wuss? a wuss is a wuss??.it was meant to be condescending…i mean what does he or she mean by saying ‘god gAls’..i was giving a compliment for christs sake!! since when did that become an issue?? ..and i wasnt getting personal anyway..in fact i did read ur disclaimer..which is why i said..’after a point it is not about taking things light’…of course vasanthi..you are a woman..you can accept the fact eh? so why dont you please speak for yourself and not the whole world? since u claim the world knows bout ‘it’…oh so..if i said i was ‘Ananya’ im revealing my identity huh? makes me darn brave doesnt it? lol true this is a blog..i always have the option of ‘not’ reading any of this..but i did…which is why i have the right to post my views…which apparently is creating a lil havock here..gender stereotypes is one thing which is deeply plunged in everybodys mind here..which is why i say we have so many other things to write on…and this is again what ‘i’ think…i dont see why people are getting defensive here…its almost like everyone here wants to prove a point..
maidenmissed Alias Ananya
ananya:
we’re all just expressing our opinions here. u expressed ur opinion, shelob and vasanthi expressed theirs. it did not warrant another explanation/counter/opinion from u at all.
its cool. we all understand that we cannot talk like each other and there are bound to be differences.
Btw, wuss/wussy, if u dint know, is a slang born out the words wimp and pussy. it is an extremely sexist word. but im sure u dint mean it that way. u just said that FOR EFFECT cuz u were angry at the anonymous guy… (and thanks for the compliment 🙂
the only reason im sayin this is cuz we can’t look for political correctness is everything we hear/say.. we gotta be tolerant and be able to speak our minds… if I think having 12 shoes makes some one effeminate, I cud just say the person must be gay, FOR EFFECT… cuz its a humour column… it does not spare even normal men or women, why wud it then spare gay people?
you said we write shit, u called my colleague a sob story and went hammer and tongs about something we should just laugh about…
HE SAYS SHE SAYS is about people like us, its about men, its about women, our flaws, our everyday quarrels and gender battles… which are a part of everyday conversation… just treat it like a conversation u eavesdrop into, laugh it off… i still fail to understand why anybody would take this column or its contents so seriously!
do u see what we’re tryin to say? else, don’t bother, we must be idiots and you probably are right!
cheers!
🙂
Oops.. I’m wrong again..I thought folks cared for real problems that exist in this world..But looks like proving someone wrong is what most folks are hell bent..Ananya,Sudish, Vasanthi, et al..All of you have valid points and are well stated in your arguments..My only concern is, Don;t we already have enough problems in this world to deal with? and why the hell do we all have to be bickering over what’s “Politically correct”..The “Freedom of Expression” is what you all are enjoying and let the other person have it.. Ananya, why influence your ideologies over Sudish &the rest of the “normal” world..
I think a good, sane, talented, thinking, individual like yourself must put her time into things that really matter to us Humans — Talk about the problems in Chennai.. The worsening traffic conditions, chennai’s perennial source of neglect for its historical past, its poor infrastructure, dirty rivers, etc, etc.. Why waste your god given time in useless banter? If you are out of ideas, just take a peek out your window/door of the Ivory tower you are perched on top of..You will see a whole different world out there, where we have neough problems to deal with .. Then you won’t spend your precious minutes trying to prove each other wrong..
BTW, did I mention that I enjoy reading Sudhish’s blog becos I learned how to take things at the face value and not to OVER ANALYZE things..The beauty of life lies in its simplicity.. Why make it complex?
Huh the first he she article I kind of agree with and there is so much being said in the comments section here! As to the comment on gaymen and shoes, I have numerous male gay friends and I assure you each and every one of them would happily go with the stereotyping of having more shoes and more fashion sense than a hetrosexual guy. I think they would most probably be offended if you thought the other way around.
PS: I am not a ‘Sudhish supporter’in any form, in fact I am sure I must have something better to do than defending Sudhish, I am out of here 🙂
hmm…true there are a lot of problems to deal with..you talk about chennais worsening traffic..but someone could say that..one of the main reasons for chennais traffic is because of ‘women’ drivers…dirty rivers cos ‘men’ tend to pee on them?? there are gender specifications here too..what i am trying to say is that…though this ‘he says she says’ thing is supposedly a humour coloumn..gender issues is a huge problem in itself.. then again..it all trickles down to the fact of how ‘you’, ‘i’ or ‘sudhish’ would define a problem…anyway you even think i am trying to influence my ideaologies on him?? im not..and u think he might get influenced? lol..’chennai’s perennial source of neglect for its historical past’ i again dont agree with you..theyve been doing the best they can..which is what makes this city different frm ny other metropolitans..um..may be calcutta is another example..tell me..are u from chennai? cos u wont be saying this if u are from here..why do i feel like i already know you?:) and Sudhish your blog is going to cross more than a few lakhs because of what i said…shunt you be thankful to me?? lol – Ananya
Ishmaal koshteen about the mental note.. i thought the price of anything picked up at the mall is INDIRECTLY proportional to her purchase.. why? Her purchase is what empties the wallet.. doesn’t it? 😉
sriram:
cha! you didnt get it.
The “anything you pick up in the mall” is a woman (read it in the context of the paras above it). and the price u pay to pick her up is directly proportionate to her purchase. which means that the more she spends, the more u have to spend in maintaining her!
no fun in explaining it like this! damn!
it was also written that cryptically so that women don’t get it…
now im doomed, they’re gonna come and get me! 😀
another war to follow… sigh… Im done for!
*blinks in utter surprise* Now that’s something Dali would have been proud of!!
“it was also written that cryptically so that women don’t get it…”
See, that’s where the mistake lies. Men are simple people. When you want to tell them something, you have to simply tell it. Making hints or saying things “cryptically ” is akin to talking to the wall. (Btw, I thought the “mental note” at the end of the post was very nicely worded)
On a different note, has anyone here seen a guy shop for a suit set or even a necktie? Suddenly, it’s not ok for the guy to be color-blind. What’s the difference between a white tie with brown spots and a brown tie with white spots? And even though they cannot name any of the shades of brown, they’ll take hours deciding between them. My sincere advice for the ladies: NEVER enter that section of the store with male company. I could decribe it further but it’s a harrowing experience and I don’t want to dig into those kind of memories.
– Sneha
P.S: The disclaimer for the post holds good this comment too (except the reference to “sense of humour”).
Ananya:
Let others do what they want to do and you continue what best you think you can do about and for the world.
Chill and never waste your time reading this blog which does not serve a purpose to you and which does not solve a single issue out of millions available.
Sudish,
I had to say the above because I am bored. And I like reading your blog because it solves the issue of my boredom 🙂 At least that noble cause could continue to see you blogging and writing stuff that does not matter!!
Thank God you are not cleanly brainwashed by the good fellow. Seriously, if everyone is to take our good friend’s advice, no body would do be doing anything but utilise their complete life in solving the miseries of that is hitherto unheard but now troubling Chennai like anything. Why only Chennai there is whole India and then there is whole of mankind to deal with. And none should be playing cricket, watching/discussing it , making/watching/reviewing/discussing movies because they DO not solve any issues. Those are just 2 examples..most of the mankind is busy with something that does not solve issues of Chennai. I was similarly disgusted when people talked DCH did not address any ISSUE. Give us a break.
And you absolutely ROCK..your writing, insightful reviews, frequent updates about your life, about your movie making, you rarely make non-sense. While others SOLVE the issues, you continue what you are best at and what you are doing! Keep going & Thanks 🙂
-Arjun