My buddy China a.k.a. Navin (an arivali doing his Ph. D.) came up with this post after reading a comment in the last post.
Politics for skeptics
When things occur for the first time they are always viewed by skepticism.
Infact, I am a skeptic myself, my approach is no different, can they win?
What difference will they make?
Will they be as committed as they are now?
Why are they contesting in Tamil nadu and mostly in Madras alone?
Why doesn’t their regional website have things for Tamil readers. Why are they not using a big publicity stunt?
Why does their name sound too Hindu-ish or too old fashioned or too Sanskrit-ish…Why does the symbol have to be two axes and fire torch? Is it not violent?
Will the common man understand what they are trying to achieve here?….Why are some non-tamil candidates standing in madras..how do they expect to win if they try this?
(Note to China from Suderman: The contestants are all from the city and almost all of them are Tamil)
To all these questions I found the answers myself.
This elite group of collective thinking people come from the premier institutes of India…if you don’t understand what I am talking about you can watch this video.
I am not an IITian nor do I belong to any top institute from India, but I sincerely support what these guys are upto. If they wanted they could be in top positions anywhere in the world and here I am questioning their ability to be a good politician. What have I done till now other than actually watch the drama that is politics and vote for X, Y or Z on a comparative scale on who I think is less corrupt. It’s like trying to find ‘first among equals’ in corruption. When actually some of the honest and educated people try to start a party, I stand back and question their ability or pass comments like ‘I don’t think they can win’ instead of actually encouraging them or spreading the word to my friends and relatives to make them aware that these people can actually bring about a slow change in the corroding society.
They are hard workers, by hard workers I mean it starts from their childhood, they slogged hard to face a competition that is purely merit based and they achieve that goal by hard work alone. They are trying the same when they are entering politics; they are working harder than they worked before. They are geniuses and it requires perspiration, I have had some of my classmates go into these institutes and I do not have to mention how hard it is. The people I have met from these institutes have always been honest and true to1.to themselves 2. to others. The other trait is that they are quite straight forward. I don’t have to mention the knowledge they possess. I just don’t want to praise their qualities, it speaks for itself.
For the people who are asking what were they doing till now, why are they joining politics now, when they could have contributed long back? Instead of asking rebellious questions, why don’t we actually support them now when they are trying to do it. For the educated people who vote, it is an opportunity to be heard if you vote for them. What I like about them is that they are not throwing stones or criticizing other parties; they promise a society based on knowledge and believe that it can be done. They are not trying to cheat with false promises and most of all they are not blaming anyone for it. They are making people aware of the inaction that goes on and they are starting it with a crowd which can actually understand their philosophy. That’s one reason I believe they are contesting in cities for now. They have actually given their strategy in a transparent manner in their website.
And they have achieved quite a few milestones in a short amount of time even though they are not actors or enjoy an already famous or familiar face. The stronghold they have is their education and I don’t think any present politician can match that. They have entrepreneurship qualities and if they can make a company earn millions they can for sure make the society earn much more.
Quoting from their website ‘This state of affairs is somehow deeply ingrained in the minds of the people and has resulted in a state of collective hopelessness. The most honest efforts are viewed with suspicion because people have lost the ability to comprehend the possibility of the existence of good will.’
To most people it looks like they are calling you hopeless and then asking for your vote, very few actually think that they are pointing out the simple truth that is in the very existence of the society. I have seen bloggers dig out this meaning to make their page popular or simply to oppose them. The questions they have are -“Aren’t we biased because most of these people are from IIT, what if they are from some XYZ college will they have such hype in the media”. The answer is no, they will not. But that does not mean that they lose their credibility. If an XYZ college alumini starts such a movement I would support that too, but they have not. The media projections of them that they could be working in US or Europe earning a millions of dollars but they chose to be politicians also creates a negating effect here, where many people believe that if they lose they can easily go back to what they were doing. If they really wanted to do what they were doing they would not contest at all. They are contesting to bring about a change. Well, ‘Everyone promises that’ – is the second argument, but why don’t we question it when they actually do not deliver it, we had a long history of corrupt governments and we never question them and in a dumb manner we vote for the lesser thief the next time or a famous actor, or do the dumbest thing of all – not vote at all – which in turn favors the existing corrupt parties. They win because only 15 percent of the population voted. If only the educated people voted this time I am sure by any logic they will find the Lok Paritran better than other candidates.
The other question is how sure are you that these people will not turn out to be corrupt later on? The answer is – that also has a non-zero probability, but it lies close to zero, where as if I compare the other parties I estimate a probability of one and it’s not just close to one – it is one.
To all the people who question their popularity or the people who just think they will not win. You can make a small difference and even the small difference that you make contributes. You can vote. You can influence other people to vote. They have already taken the step of standing in the elections, which by itself is huge, if at all you cannot help do not spoil the chances by your expert pre-analysis- by giving a statement like “do they have the money or matter” or “they cannot win”. It’s like telling a kid that he will fail in his exams because he is honest.
If you can, please do forward these links to your friends and family and let them decide, if you truly believe that it can be achieved then you can also try convincing them to vote.
The website.
The plan.
Media Links:
http://www.hinduonnet.com/2006/03/03/stories/2006030315510300.htm
http://www.hindu.com/2006/03/04/stories/2006030419340400.htm
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1016236
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1444561.cms
http://www.ibnlive.com/article.php?id=5107§ion_id=3
I do not have any associations with Lok Paritran other than that I am just a silent supporter. These are just my views on them and do not reflect anyone else’s. I am not even a member of Lok Paritran. I am just an admirer of their spirit and I hope they win.
If you are a strong believer in that it can be done then some strategic points would be getting some printouts of their plans, try to make some copies of it and make your colleagues/friends/relatives and college mates aware of it or at least talk to them about it. When Educated Indians speak of politics they speak of corruption and lack of facilities and blame it on their political leaders and use the phrase- “nothing can be done here to change it” – If we are not encouraging the change, how will we even change.
Its not about winning or losing, it’s about doing the right thing to the best of your knowledge. If not this time there is always a next time, but why not do it this time?
Wonderfully researched post. After SUN, Intel, MS, etc… the IITians are here to play leading roles in the Indian government. Good luck to them.
Their online ideology and strategy is a first of sorts. But, it’s kinda profound.
PS- Did you notice Mr.N.Ram in the video?
“I am not even a member of Lok Paritran. I am just an admirer of their spirit and I hope they win”
I wonder why???
I mean I understand the need for you to distance urself from the party in the particular post – to show tht ur view is not biased.
But if u r so impressed with their work, why are u not a member yet? i am sure ur expertise will be useful to them in someway. u cud make a short video for them, an election campaign ad. not much to ask?
Ram
p.s. i am not a member of lok paritran myself and i guess i am influenced by the skepticism that u don’t possess.
Brilliant post. Pretty thought provoking. Way to go China.
@ram:I distant myself from them in this post because these are my views, the views of Lok Paritran might not necessarily be the same. And thanks for the idea, I might become actually become a memember. I do not have the background to make short videos otherwise would have already made one.
PS: Now I am biased
thanks bharat & ram
Nice post. I agree with Barath that their ideology post just goes over my head. I wrote to them about that too. I hope they change it to something simpler on the lines of their press release.
really inspiring article…
hats off to China and 2 sud 4 bringing it here…
*it is not only the IIT tag and not all candidates are from IIT,there are some XYZ’s and even the party has a 60 year old contesting…
*I do agree with the sanskrit-ish name and symbol,they could have chosen something secular…
They lack popularity(no corrupt SUN tv,JAYA tv or some murasu endlessly campaining for some ***** and still many people are ignorant about them…
My humble request to all bloggers…(not 4 high fundoooos)
It is not only a help but also our responsibility to bring in a change to the corrupt society,Ten years down the line if we have a CM or PM from them, then our country will soar into great heights…
So my request is that spread the word,i am not asking to campaign but we can do this ,Irrespective of the number of visits to ur blog put a small post in ur blog (even if u are the sole visitor to ur blog like mine;)so that they gain atleast some recognition for what they are doin…
forward by mails and word of mouth…
After all
LITTLE DROPS MAKE A MIGHTY OCEAN…
go…i m gonna do it right now…
sorry for the long comment;)
Suds,
I don’t support them because they need to learn a lot. I hope even a journalist like you can do better than those guys. Engineering guys are not fit for social positions.
People who excell in one field need not be good in other fields.
S.J.Surya is a great creator, but he is a person whose, what you call social responsibility, is nill. He is just trading flesh.
You know the person who created the controversial scene in Basic Instinct(with cigarette) regretted for it later on ? He became a teatotaller.
So what I am saying is, Great creators are not necessarily Great Social Visionaries.
In that sense, personally I believe engineering guys are totally hopeless.
@ anon: I think your grudge against engineering guys is making you tell that statement. Your insinct and examples comes from movies, just by quoting people like SJ Surya or the guy who made basic instinct…as counter examples I can quote a lot of people who are talented in multiple fields…Great Creators are not necessarily great social visionaries…but it does not mean that they cannot be great visionaries too…probably your prejudice against engineers is leading you to that conclusion…By your conclusion The current president of india is completely hopeless…one more thing the people in lok paritran are not all engineers, they are looking for members in multiple fields and maybe if you lose your prejudice against one particular group maybe you can help. If engineers are hopeless, by other prejudiced perspectives politicians are hopeless, lawyers and doctors are hopeless, policemen are hopeless…your very statement is hopeless if you belong to any profession then.
Dear anon troll
first up, loosa pa(da/ma) nee?
I hope even a journalist like you can do better than those guys.
eh? I’d like to remind you that these are the guys who make the noos. They can make a simple saree donation event into “kama veri padaiththa so and so pengalhai kavara pudavai kuduththaar”.All of what you know is because of them. Did Paul Verhoeven come and tell you that he quit smoking? Where do you get the balls to say sumthing like that?
Great creators are not necessarily Great Social Visionaries.
This will go on my list of daily quotes under the title “utter roobish” Boycott style.
Engineering guys are not fit for social positions.
vanttaar ra statement udarthukku. r u saying that moonaanglaas fail and therupporukkis will be much better “leaders”? or are you going to stick to your stand saying “No, i meant political sciences grads. are a better option……”
What do SJ Surya and basic instinct have to do with politics or paritrana?And, wat do we call you? pervert/retard or both? Get a life man. You got personal, I got personal. matter even. If you want to hit back, make sure u get an identity first.
anon:
your bias apart, did that come outta your ass?
and how does one learn politics without fighting elections?
how does one learn to walk without taking the first step?
how does one learn to rise without the fall?
if you don’t support fresh blood, you deserve the same old shit in your system and you can be happy passing wind like you just did.
Quoting from Lok Paritran’s Idealogy: “Reality is a continuum. Knowledge system, in shortest, is fragmentation imposed upon the continuum of reality. Fragmentation is always a necessity for understanding of the unknown. Every fragment in the knowledge system becomes a construct or an entity that is defined in the knowledge system. This very fact shows that different knowledge systems can be build on the same reality based on different possibilities and patterns of fragmentation.” After reading this, it felt like I was back in the Systems Engineering 101 class and not on the website of a political pary that’s contesting the upcoming polls.. Makes me wonder how would they be able to convey this Philosphy to some random kuppan/suppan/raman et al sitting at a Tea Stall somewhere in Tamil Nadu. Maybe they have an idea for this too ..Who knows! Anyway, let me wish them well on their political careers and hope they bring some “real” change to the current System..
Andy
there is a line in page3 which goes “you have to be in the system to change the system” When finally someone is coming up to do it, i dont understand the overwhelming amount of scpeticism that some people seem to have.
practical/impractical/young/fresh.. so what?? they are making an effort. they might makes mistakes.. so what? they r trying. and i believe that has to be supported and appreciated..!!
@andy: “Nijam enbathu or adai mazhai mathiri..Oru oru thuliyum intha meyyunuravin kootani. Theriyathathu puriyatrhuku intha pirithal thevai. Ovvaru pirripum (thuliyum) intha nijathuku porul kudukum. Ithanaala enna therikirathu – thani thani arivu iyyakangal ore nijathinmael katta pattu ullathu” If you want to explain this to every kuppan/suppan or raman in a tea stall u can do it by quoting examples too.. like Intha building pathingala, ithu sengal, cement sunambu paint laam potu katikiranga. Thani thaniya irruntha athu verum sengal cement thaan ana onna sentha oru building ayidthu. Athu mattum illa itha katrathaku engineer evlo mukiyamo athae madri maestri, sitthal, carpenter ellarumae mukiyam. Ellarum avanga velaiya ollunga naermiya senjanga na athu oru buildinga nikkithu…and continue on it…infact language is not a big barrier – before u crack wise comments and ask how andy, I am actually wondering why can’t we convey the meaning or essense of a statement or a philosophy in any language…all kuppan/suppan/raman/ Aandy et al are people too…why won’t they understand. I appreciate your support to them anyway.
second outlaw!!
when people are actually coming forward to improve the much-butchered politics of india….why are we looking for perfectionism instead of appreciating their ideals and helping them rise??
these guys are actually doing something. others either support them or just stay silent!! not dish out arbit garbage!!!
A says-
Manifesto!?
Forget about IIT’s, forget about what they could have been, how much $ they have made or given up( opportunity cost) :questions is -what are they rooting for?
if you agree vote if not dont
Analogy
When Lee Kwan Yew(LKY) generally considered as ‘father of Singapore’
stood in the election he won the only seat for his party but if one man’s vision and persistance can change a city state from a third world country to a developed nation in just 35 odd years i sure these educated young men can potentially do something similar-whadyathink?
his reasoning ‘win one find eligible and suitable candidates join together fight – win’
he said ..he did.. and even to this day his party enjoys a 95+% majority the ideology of blooding in fresh and eligible candidates goes on…Does Lok Paritran have a LKY
Amal
amal k trying to get in touch with you da…check your un-updated blog for my email id…
andy:
the party ideology on the net is only for people like you who want to know what they stand for.
when i asked them about this, they told me they understand the poor aint gonna read their website but the young do. The website is purely to get like-minded young educated youth join their party… there is no ideology they stand for but public good… and because public good keeps changing, you need to define what is good and hence the whole academic explanation…
public good to the common man translates to eradication of corruption, bureaucracy, red tapism and understanding of their problems…
which is exactly what they are promising… a change in the current flawed system where a vote of 15 per cent of a population is enuff for anybody to get elected… simple because only 40 per cent of people vote and when you divide this 40 percent across four or five parties, what you get is a leading candidate with sometimes even less than 25 per cent of that vote…
people crib they dont have an alternative and hence they dont vote…
the party addresses the issue from that very point onwards…
i think its high time people stopped assuming stupidity over others…
cheers…
Point(s) well made @ China & Suderman and well taken..As I said earlier, however outta touch they may be in the reality of things, I believe Lok Partitran(LP) would anyday be a better alternative than any party we have in the current TN political environment..
Amal rightly pointed out that this may be a Lee Kwon Yew situation..Someday LP could be at the forefront leading the much needed change to our political system.. Irrespective of their communicative strategies are to reachout to the common man, I believe in what these folks stand for and will do my best to nudge those friends/family of mine to come and cast their votes for LP..
BTW, China, I’m wondering who is the Wise Cracker here.. Just pointed out what I felt was a concern and Suderman duly addressed my concerns and I think its unnecessary for you to use words such as “before u crack wise comments and ask how”.. Don’t you realize that any concerned citizen should be asking such basic questions like “HOW, WHY, WHAT??”.. So, what’s wrong in asking such questions..If you noticed/read my words carefully, there is nothing WISE about it..It was just a plain old Caution/anxiety wrapped in a bunch of words..We sure have had our chances with our political parties.. Seen one too many of these newcomers who come screaming that “I’ll be the Change Maker” .. But we havne’t seen the real change yet..So, its normal for anyone to be cautious/anxious when they hear the same..For a change, this time it seems to be coming from a bunch of sensible guys who have academically proved themselves..So, stop “intimidating” people and understand that folks might have some concerns that may be way different from what you could see..FYI, I’m sitting here and wondering why you’re ready to belittle folks when you smell the slightest of deviation from your line of thought? Is it the pride of yours overriding your common sensibilities and blinding you from realizing that not all of us think the same?
Andy
Sudhish,
When Woodrow Wilson was contesting the Presidential election during early 20th century, many people then felt that he was not President material.
On one of his campaign tours, he once spent some time with a family and a local community. After he left, the family members and other started discussing about his prospects and despite his academic credentials, everyone felt that Wilson was not going to win.
But a small girl disagreed and said vehemently, “He will win!”
“How do you know?” asked the elders around her.
She said, “He was the only one to enquire about the injury in my little finger!”
I guess, these IIT guys – from whatever little interaction I had with them – come across as persons who would never ask anyone about the injury on a little finger..
mebe
china-andy:
you guys all set to fight all over again i see… lol!
mebe:
i just hope you are wrong. and i hope they start enquiring about your little finger.
You will not be intimidated, until you come and poke your nose in my post. I defend what I have written, if it intimidates you, don’t read it. I think you want to be intimidated by me thats why you comment something negative first then accept your mistake by saying “point taken” then say something like “As I said earlier, however outta touch they may be in the reality of things, I believe Lok Partitran(LP) would anyday be a better alternative than any party we have in the current TN political environment..” – I never saw those exact words anywhere in your previous comments..nor does your mocking meaning conveys it…I mock at you and you feel imitated or intimidated? you only get what you give….when you say kuppan/suppan/raman etc and I add an aandy to it.. and you did come up with a wise crack comment…you win – does that make you happy? Or am I still intimidating you…I will not post any reply for your comment from now – not just to avoid you but to stop intimidating you.
Lol @ Suderman..No, No, No! I have no intensions of fighting with China..After all, Don’t we all admire him for his “Naan pudicha muyalukku moonu kaal” attitude..Tell me how many time do we come across someone like him who firmly believes in himself and will stand by his words even if death comes knocking at his door.. Who knows.. He might be thinking that I’m wise cracking here..Nalladhukkae Kaalam Illae..
Andy
Actually, I wrote a good, long response for you but had to delete all that becos my purpose here was not to FIGHT with you, China..Moreover, I have no intensions of using Suderman’s blog as a base to launch a war of words with you..The intention of posting responses is to have a discussion and with someone like you around these places it is seemingly impossible to that “discussion:..
Anyway, I guess it would be wise of me to just say “thank you” for opting to NOT respond to my postings anymore…and another thank you for announcing me the “winner” which I never asked for in teh first place..You are not in my league to do anything win worthy ..so Let me give it back to you.. I’ll continue with my wise cracks and you continue with your bullying..ooops..Did I tell you that you never managed to Intimidate me.. You just tried.. But never won and will NEVER win too..Good luck blogging/bickering/bitching/BULLYING..
Just a Wise Crack in your life,
Andy
“i just hope you are wrong. and i hope they start enquiring about your little finger.”
By saying ‘your’, you’ve unwittingly inferred that my post was a result of not enquiring about my little finger.
This is not the case. My comment was based on the observation that they’re not bothered about the ‘little fingers’ of people around them and not mine……such people, once they taste power,puffed with their own sense of intellectual superiority, become intolerant of others…
i would prefer a large hearted pachayappa college student to an IIT guy with a superiority complex..any day…
anon/mebe:
duh!!!
and i was thinking the little finger thing was a metaphor… for small lil important things… 😛
dont assume and generalise. there are pachaiyappas boys who have a superiority complex enuff to take over buses, burn them down or grope women and IITians geeky enuff to bury themselves under the books cuz they think nobody likes them.. stop slotting people and have an open mind.
open mind is a nice thing to have before meeting someone..
but it is a terrible cross to bear after the meeting…
Hi Sudhish,
Something off track, am contemplating buying the avenger. Wat’s your take on it’s performance and price.
Thanks in advance,
Avenger fan.
@anon/mebe: I studied in pachayappa for a month and met some good students there and I have some friends in IIT who are eccentrics. It gives me no right to actually genralize based on the friends I have. As I already said ” there is always a non-zero probablity that people might turn out to be corrupt” it does not matter if they are from pachyappa or IIT or not educated at all. I have made an inference based on the background I have on the people who are currently standing in the election, just give me proof that these guys have been corrupt earlier in their life, if you don’t have any then please don’t spoil the chances again with skepticism…And reagarding your open mindedness…”Its a terrible cross to bear after the meeting”…shows that you have been meeting the wrong people…Did you atually meet these guys? No
I am not sure if you tried to make an enquiry about it or not…you are making an inference based on the IIT friends you have, how can you genralize that? You are welcome to be fooled by the politicians who want to give you a free TV, free rice and free cycles and these are the people who actually make it point just to enquire about a small girls little finger as a publicity stunt, but it would remain broken and they will come and enquire again in the next election, you can vote for them just because they enquired and did nothing about it.
anon/mebe:
if you gonna judge people by a meeting or two, you can never have an open mind.
avenger fan:
it’s an extremely consistent bike.
has been giving me exactly 45km every litre in the last 6300 kms in spite of just one service in between.
go for it!
Andy:
“After all, Don’t we all admire him for his “Naan pudicha muyalukku moonu kaal” attitude..”
We?? okay… if you call it admiration, we have reason to admire you too… 🙂
“Tell me how many time do we come across someone like him who firmly believes in himself and will stand by his words even if death comes knocking at his door..”
lol… now you the answer to that… I come across YOU everytime china does the same thing…
china:
good boy. thank you for choosing to ignore that.
g
hi sudhish and navin,
u guys r doing a great job indeed, i really want these guys to come to power but in future is there any guaranteee that these guys wont become an allied party of the bjp or congress or the dmk admk, i ve been mailing every one i know about lok paritran, but what my friends ask me is how r they going to win if they don t campaign , i mean i don t know if they are campaigning but i ve never heard of lok paritra guys campaigning man , is this web blogging and e mail requests enough, they are very much non personal form of communication
dinesh
early morning at 6.38….
i am feelin awesome 2 b back 2 my city….n all patriotic aftr readin d blog…yess these guys 4 d nex revolution…hope 2 work n help as much as possible from me…
Thank you soo much 🙂 Will let you know, once I get it !
Avenger fan !