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Sexy Hawt Chick! says:i’ll write abt u and thrash u
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:after all u r hindu’s page 3 boy
Suderman says: hindu’s page 3 is a responsible civic section
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:i am sure!
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:and all those things u said abt superstar in ur blog
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:i’ll copy taht, give u credit
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:and rip it apart
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:lol
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:and now that i’ve told u that, i feel less guilty
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:ok tell me sumthin
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:what tamil movies have been “responsible”?
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:thevar magan was abt what?
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:i saw it long time back
Suderman says:thevar magan was condemning violence
Suderman says:it was a rural Godfather
Suderman says:”responsible” for what??
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:what was the theme?i’ve totally forgotten the story
Suderman says:but thevar magan was a violent film
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:responsible media
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:it was?
Suderman says:of course
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:ok swades for sure
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:but what abt tamil movies?
Suderman says:swades was responsible
Suderman says:anjali was responsible
Suderman says:actually mani ratnam’s films are responsible
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:yes but its madras university tehy might give me lesser marks if i talk abt hindi movies!
Suderman says:kannathil muthamittal
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:hmmm….yes…bombay…
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:what was that abt?km?
Suderman says:abt a little girl’s prayer for peace in the war-ravaged island
Suderman says:sri lanka and terrorism
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:and virumandii was too confusin
Suderman says:given the sad state of the business (films flopping, dwindling business attributed largely to video piracy), it is not the prerogative of the film industry to make “responsible films” cuz the educated “responsible” elite audiences had stopped visiting cinema halls, after having conveniently found the magic of DVDs and home theatre. Hence, the function of cinema changed over the last few years.
Suderman says:Filmmakers here began making films to cater to those who did not have the luxuries of home theatre
Suderman says:which meant that the sensibilities had to be different
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:r u giving me quotes for free?
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:or r u taking that from somewhere?
Suderman says:which is why there is a lot of slumming, dumbing down of content in terms of script!
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:nice!
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:soooper suderman
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:actually to be fair i do understand ur point
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:but then i understand the other view too…
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:now wheres the balance is the question
Suderman says:The plots were just a manifestation of popular sentiment, outrage against the rich, perceived as corrupt… the angry young man prototype, celebrated in the mid seventies, arrived here twenty years late!
Suderman says:The last decade hence, has seen the celebration of the anti-hero
Suderman says:the guy from the street had to be hero, cuz he was a representative of the audience
Suderman says:To understand Tamil cinema, you need to understand the psychographics of the audience watching these films!
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:the death of ideals, u mean?
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:as in ppl feel the champion of idealistic causes dont hold good in their lives?
Suderman says:For a man on the street, the best way to fight injustice is to beat the shit out of the bad guy!
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:but isnt it like a 2 way process
Suderman says:which is why there is a strong dose of violence!
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:doesnt media influence behavious as much as it reflects behaviour?
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:so if they see a super star beating the shit out they will feel justified
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:and then again, given the fact, taht they might not think much abt teh movie and accept content a lot more easily without asking questions
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:wont they internalise what tehy see on screen?
Suderman says:The function of cinema here is to entertain by telling a story in which the common man is the hero and since the common man from the street today has a certain sensibility towards women (voyeurism, leching and other forms of sexual harassment is not perceived as evil, but is legitimised as fun and normal, among the things young people usually do)
Suderman says:cinema is only reflective of the society
Suderman says:cuz if it isnt, the audience will not buy it
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:so u mean to say it doesnt influence society?
Suderman says:the sentiment expressed in a film has to be among the collective conscious of a society for it to click, for it to be relatable!
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:so have ppl become more sexually liberated after globalised media entered
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:nope i think meida reinforces
Suderman says:unless they relate to it, they will not watch it. That’s how strong the audience taste is, down south!
Suderman says:The Tamil film audience is among the most headstrong audiences! They reject!
Suderman says:They reject mercilessly!
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:ok…once upon a time ppl said that abt the malayalam industry too
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:but ever since hindi movies have become so popular
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:theres a lot of dumbing down happening there
Suderman says:Here, you just need to walk into the halls to know what kind of people watch films these day
Suderman says:these days
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:so how does one account for that
Suderman says:A society only gets films that it deserves
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:it is media which has influenced them…
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:when tehy see so much meida talking abt a certain set of values
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:tehy buy it
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:if one movie talks abt one value system alien to them maybe they will reject
Suderman says:No, not really!! I can prove it with an example. Take a movie called Alli Arjuna
Suderman says:made by Saran, one of the most hotshot directors
Suderman says:he made a commerical film, with all popular ingredients on the evils of eve-teasing
Suderman says:it failed
Suderman says:and it bombed miserably
Suderman says:in spite of being what critics would label as a classic
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:but if it is a concerted effort where all the movies seem to be sayingthe same thing…a certain kind of brainwashing does happen, doesnt it?
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:to say it doesnt is to disprove what media analysts have been saying ever since miedia analysis began!
Suderman says:no, filmmakers here need to agree with the audience… else, the audience will reject the stories
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:so dont u see that as a compromise?
Suderman says:it is an audience driven market!
Suderman says:filmmakers will only invest in what brings in profits
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:oh well…we come back to that
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:actually everybody from the media says that
Suderman says:because they have all lost crores making films which have tried to be “responsible”
Suderman says:Take any producer, any director and you can see a responsible film against his name which has failed
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:and so do the alternative media people…they say they dont make money cos they dont cater to audience
Suderman says:and an irresponsible film working
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:but then how does one explain swades?
Suderman says:Swades is a film which was not audience-driven! It was director driven!
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:but people loved it…?
Suderman says:Aayitha Ezhuthu is a film which was not audience driven! It was director driven!
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:still did well…
Suderman says:Which is why both these films had critics lauding them
Suderman says:but in terms of business, were a failure
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:they were???
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:i know ppl who watched AE 15 times!!
Suderman says:Swades made money because of the minimum guarantee a star like Shah Rukh Khan brings along!
Suderman says:An SRK film brings with it 50 crores of business, thanks to the overseas market
Suderman says:and Ashutosh after being an internationally acclaimed director didnt feel the need to make a film which was audience driven…he said what he wanted to say only cuz he was sure that between him and SRK, they cud easily recover costs and make money
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:ok…so…how does one explain that after a long while of stooopid movies in kerala, one movie came along taht talked abt filmakers who make stoopid movies and it became a super hit
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:not just among the middle classes but all over
Suderman says:dont compare
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:shows that the audience is not so dumb
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:but they buy into dmbness over time
Suderman says:Kerala has a different set of people, a different set of filmmakers who are unique
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:when its the only alternative
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:dumb=everything irresponsible, unthinking
Suderman says:you cannot compare it with Tamil or Hindi cinema cuz they are all very different mediums and made for different purposes!
Suderman says:Director Dharani once gave me a brilliant analogy of cinema and tastes
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:but forget the region…the principle behind media wud be the same, no?
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:what did he say?
Suderman says:No… which is what Dharani’s theory is all about
Suderman says:and its brilliant
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:what did he say?>
Suderman says:It compares audience tastes with their food tastes and the purpose of it!
Suderman says:Food in Kerala has a very basic purpose
Suderman says:it is simple…
Suderman says:presented very simplistically
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:go on….lol jus wondering what my mom wud say to that
Suderman says:the gratification it provides is very basic… it is to fill the stomach… that’s about it! It is minus all the frills and variety! Your Mom im afraid is NOT the lowest common denominator…
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:yes but u c i was thinking abt this movie by this bengali filmaker…as usual i forget who and what
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:he made a film for workers
Suderman says:The layman in Kerala eats his fish or bananas or those potatoes
Suderman says:and is content with what it provides him
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:one of the most resp films ever made
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:and farmers contributed money to help him make it
Suderman says:are u gonna let me complete what im saying??? there are always exceptions to a theory!
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:so responsibility “for layman” need not be mutually exclusive
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:ook ok complete
Suderman says:the attitude here in Tamil Nadu towards food is “unlimited meals”
Suderman says:they want a little bit of everything, well presented, and unlimited
Suderman says:they want value for money
Suderman says:the gratification is not just basic as it is in Kerala… they want a little colour in the food
Suderman says:they want spice
Suderman says:they want sweets
Suderman says:they want their buttermilk
Suderman says:they want everything but they dont want to spend
Suderman says:In Andhra, spice and presentation is everything!!
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:ok i get it……so u r sayin there can be no general rule as far as movies go and that u have to be region/audience specific
Suderman says:The layman in Andhra eats cuz he loves the spice
Suderman says:not just to satisfy his hunger
Suderman says:In Hindi cinema, they want their rotis and paneer and punjabi food!
Suderman says:at Punjabi weddings
Suderman says:there is a lot of family attachments to food
Suderman says:and hence to cinema too
Suderman says:occassionally, a Dil Chahta Hai comes along
Suderman says:now that, is like the pizza they have begun to eat
Suderman says:and like
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:so basically back to the argument that nobody can AFFORD to make conscientious films?
Suderman says:yes, cuz to make such films you need a market which is monopolised
Suderman says:by a few directors
Suderman says:and when the audience has no choice but to watch these films
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:so tell me…does mani ratnam do well @the box office?
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:did bombay do well?
Suderman says:that will not happen cuz there’s always a choice
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:in terms of revenue?
Suderman says:Bombay did well… but then, it was made by a Mani Ratnam
Suderman says:when he knew epeople were going to the theatres
Suderman says:it was made when teh market was conducive
Suderman says:plus Bombay in terms of content is one of those rare films which married two formats
Suderman says:not everyone can do that cuz it requires intelligence
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:ok can u jus for a moment think…without arguing and telll me, if everybody were to make conscientious movies, would it be the death of the movie culture?
Suderman says:which is why the likes of Mani Ratnam are rare and celebrated by critics!
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:what if conscientious movies were all they got (like in bengal @one point)
Suderman says:why wud people start making wool jackets and thermal underwear in Madras
Suderman says:if all manufacturers decided that they wud make thermal underwear and woollen jackets, do u think people wud buy them???
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:did pithamaghan do well?
Suderman says:Pithamagan wasnt a responsible film!
Suderman says:it was a bad film
Suderman says:with some great performances, some of them over-rated
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:i thot it spoke for the grave diggers??
Suderman says:it was loud and melodramatic
Suderman says:no… not really
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:but did it do well?
Suderman says:there was a certain cliche it represented grave diggers… it showed them like
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:hmmmmm…..
Suderman says:vikram looks more mentally ill than someone who lives at the periphery…
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:lol
Suderman says:Tamil cinema is star driven!
Suderman says:and the function of the star is to showcase machismo
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:hmmmm…..
Suderman says:and at the same time, he has to be identifiable with the common man
Suderman says:he needs to have the same traits as them
Suderman says:he needs to have the same attitude towards women as them
Suderman says:he needs to be as crass and crude as them
Suderman says:he needs to speak out and do what they have always wanted to
Sexy Hawt Chick! says: i understand but dont agree
Suderman says:there are always two parts of a hero or any icon
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:i still think it will only reinforce
Suderman says:1. He needs to be someone you can relate to. 2. He needs to be someone who you aspire to be!
Suderman says:A Tamil film hero is a combination of the two
Suderman says:and when he has these two parts in the right proportion, he’s a winner at the box office
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:hmmm
Suderman says:Vijay is Vijay is every film
Suderman says:Rajni is Rajni
Suderman says:thats what Superstars are all about
Suderman says:thats what Icons are all about
Suderman says:A Superstar film is like a James Bond film
Suderman says:people have a set of expectations
Suderman says:if these expectations arent met, they reject it, even if it is Superstar
Suderman says:Baba is the biggest example
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:taht was the movie abt auto drivers?
Suderman says:Gawdd!!!! No! Baba was when the hero decides to take the spiritual path
Suderman says:Basha was the one with autodrivers and it clicked!! Big time! He played an underworld don in it!
Sexy Hawt Chick! says:oh!
(and the argument went on…)