Yes, serious matter.
No jokes, at least till we have some serious responses.
The last few days have been extremely disturbing.
This season’s moral policing started with Anna University VC telling girls what to wear.
Next, it was the turn of petty politicians to target Khushbu, telling her what (not) to talk about.
The latest of course is Dina Malar’s inexcusably cheap disgusting act of gatecrashing into a nightclub and carrying pictures of girls having a drink, dancing and some of them having intimate moments with their boyfriends/husbands. The captions were distasteful and outrightly perverted. They just stopped short of calling them sluts. Just like how they called Stephanie, a victim of drunken driving last year, a cabaret dancer just because she was spotted dancing along with another guy at a nightclub hours before her death in an accident when four young guys in an inebriated state ran over her. Anyways, drunken driving is altogether another issue and moral policing an equally serious one. Does the media have any right to take pictures of you spending private time with your girlfriend and publish it and then pass judgement on it and call it obscene?
A nightclub is not a public place. It’s a club, which by definition, allows entry only for its members, at a cost, for its services.
Instead of the police arresting the newspaper for invasion of privacy, the dumb f***s arrest two young managers and put them in jail for over 48 hours (if they really had the balls, why not arrest the Managing Director of the hotel, a friend asked).
I heard the Mylapore Deputy Commissioner tell my colleague that they want to finish off nightclubs and arrest every woman from the photos published in Dina Malar. Now, what did these girls do that deserve humiliation or arrest? Is drinking only for men? Is it illegal for women to drink? Is it obscene for a wife to kiss her husband or a girlfriend to kiss her boyfriend even if its a public place (the hotel in any case wasn’t exactly a public place)?
I wrote a story today on how we seem to have two set of rules: One for men and one for women.
We are going to continue this campaign against sexist moral policing, which basically amounts to: telling women what to do, what to wear, what to talk and how to behave.
As I do this, I really want to know opinions. How many of you think kissing in public is obscene? If yes, do you think we need police to crackdown on kissers? If yes, are you willing to stop watching kisses on film and TV? Those who are willing to be quoted in the newspaper could specify your full name with initials, your age and occupation.
Are we becoming a regressive society? I think we’re on our way.
Cuz any society that tries to control its women is. The Taliban did it in Afghanistan, the RSS-Sena tried that in Mumbai and now look, we’re next! Unless, we stop the f***rs at the gates!
MADRAS INK. 
Righty said, double standards is what it is.
IMO, public intimacy is frowned upon by the older generation or even the current generation in rural India. This is why my wife and I would not be comfortable cuddling in public back home when we don’t think twice about it here in California. However, intimacy in a club or hotel environment as described is a “closed” environment. In any case, being frowned upon is not the same as being an arrestable offence. Did the police offer quoted mention what the women would be charged with? If we can arrest people for not conforming to society’s standards then what is this country coming to?
Dina Malar’s stunt was lame but did they break any law? I suspect not. The way that magazines like this should be taught their lesson is by being boycotted and verbally attacked by those that feel it acted in poor taste. Or even better, just ignore them. If stunts like these didn’t result in publicity and more circulation, I suspect that magazines would get involved in the first place.
Damn typos.
First line –
Righty = Rightly
Last line –
would get involved = would not get involved
I am glad I am raising my 2 daughters in America.!
Yes kissing in public is something frowned upon. I am not comfortable, with my friend kissing her boy friend, in front of me. If I am like that, Forget about oldies. But arresting them is going overboard. India s a democracy and all the rules are common to men and women. About kushboo’s case, huh? Its her independent opinion damn! Sometimes I hate TN parties for raising hue and cry about anything and everything (eg. english movie titles)Idiots!
Though I am not in favor of kissing in public(nothing to do with morality…but an intimate moment is for private-keeps…not public), having them arrested is way too much.
Came to your blog thru Brood Mode, but I still decided to drop my 2 cents worth:
I dont understand whats the fuss with public display of affection. And that too in a not-so-public place. Yes its a private act to kiss your lover, but if the 2 dont have a problem, why must the public be such hypocrites! If they are ok with Malika Sherawat baring all infront of international media, if they are okay with saucy scenes on Indian movies and TV, being watched in little villages in India, if they are ok with knowing that red light areas exist in every town and city, then what the hell makes them uncomfortable about 2 normal grown-ups kissing??
My take is… they are just jealous. Wait till they go out with their pretty girlfriends (if they are lucky!), and then we’ll see…
Ooops… sorry, made a post of a comment 🙂
Kissing in public may not be best thing to do … but its all one’s right to freedom and expression. And more so in the confines of a hotel where they think they have privacy or they belive they have some privacy.
That a police officer talks about arresting the women shown in these just goes to show how hypocritic the society is.
Drinking is not an offence, so is wearing what one wants to. Its about ones choices in life. It seems very ironical that these issues should evoke such outcry from the so called broad minded public!
-AG
Hmmm…i have studied in universities that had dress code either officially or unofficially,had people counsell the boy/girl or both how it affects the kids who happen to watch it(my university had staff quarters).But nobody can dictate what to talk/do especially when it is a night club!!
But arresting girls becasue they kissed…outrageous..are they arressting the boys too.
height male chauvenism!!!!!!!!
Is there anyway we can do something abt it
It was really sad to see Dinamalar and the cops behaving so cheaply !!! Moral policing is raising it’s ugly head in Chennai and it’s upto the media and responsible journos like u to tackle the problem . I liked ur article in Hindu !!!
-Karthik
It is far beyond their limits to arrest those people. Publishing such pictures of a private party by a leading, so called decent newspaper is nonsense. Most of the people are educated and they know what to do and what not to do. People gathered there just to have fun and enjoy their evenings. A night club or pub is meant only for that. Though kissing in public is not the one to be encouraged. But still such mean act of arresting them must be avoided. And a comment – all the ladies in the picture would be arrested is stupid. In that case then even the men dancing with them should be arrested. Later in couple of months, almost 60% of Chennai would be behind bars then. I don’t really know y people are so dumb – the govt, media and other organizations. The city is growing and every one has got the right to do something which doesn’t give rise to any public nuisance. The media doesn’t have any right to comment about the lady drinking. Are they sure that such things don’t happen in any party or filmi functions?? Our society has to improve…
Suderman! jus wut i ws xpectin to read in yer blog today… this is becomin a very very serious issue… do these bunch of morons know the meaning of democracy and our basic constitutional rights by any chance… the cases against Park includes obscene dressing and dancing…. for petes’ sake who da f*** r they to call it obscene… am i missing somethin ws it a strip dance or ‘o’ party by any chance ( thn i def rue the missed chance!!)… what it calls for is a widespread condemnation by the youth… in think in this case and in the case of kushboos’ statement it s magazine wh has to be sued!!
welcome back to dark ages suderman
Sudhish, yours is the only voice in Main Stream Media I hear against this issue. Kudos.
ok as for ur opinion on kissing i do not think it is anywhere close to obscenity… wut say abt a PIL on the same for curbing a citizens’ right to do what he wants which is very much /defaming/harassment etc etc and hey as i mentioned in my earlier post we need to take the streets as well if we need the attention but do we have the strength???
-sriraam, 23, management trainee
I am okay with people kissing anywhere from a night club to a railway station.
These moral assholes! Totally double standards! Some day these anonymous bla..fathers as u say will sneak into couples bedroom, picture it, publish it and say how obscene it is for them! Bloody piece of shit!
Hi All,
1. I would like to know how many of you would accept your own sisters and/or daughters (blood-relatives) being kissed in night bars by their boy-friends. Will affection/democracy still hold on?
2. Why is it that Vanniyar Ramadoss and Paraiyar Thirumaavallavan who are so hell-bent upon protecting Tamil culture not doing any thing to change the name of SUN TV as Kathiravan TV??
3. Statement of Vanniyar Ramadoss when he floated the PMK “If I bring any of my son/descendants into politics, then whip me with a cane in the public”.
4. Statement of Paraiyar Thirumaalavan “Rape as many brahmin (innocent) girls as possible”.
5. Why is it that Vanniyar Ramadoss who is hell-bent upon protecting Tamil-culture, named his grand-daughters as “Sangamitra and Samyukthaa”, which are sanskrit words?? Didn’t he get any ladies Tamil names??
It is high-time these 2 f**kers are kicked out of India!
Regards,
Anandkumar V
1) Sania Mirza is told to cover up herself on the court, while she’s playing. This despite her achievements.
2) Chitrangda Singh (whos husband is a celbrity golfer) is asked to stop acting in films and stay at home, to save her marriage, despite being very talented and making a mark in her debut film.
The first is a case of moral policing by the Muslim organisations and second is a case of control at home.
Where does it start and where does it end? My point is that its not just limited to public display of affection or freedom of speech, thought and expression. Its the mindset of the people that has to change.
Don’t tell people what (not) to do/say. Especially when they are old enough to make decisions, good or bad, on their own. What someone does in private is their own business and no-one elses. If you want to object to what someone else does or want to publish it, then lobby to make it illegal. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
I completely agree with you…..i remember one of the dialog which chandler says in the friends episode in a honeymoon suite “this Room demands sex”…..similarly a night club demands a little kissing, dancing and of course liquor…when I was in hyd the times of India paper puts one whole page full of snaps of party’s, which contain snaps from kissing to liquor….but no one complained…….this shows how narrow minded the people are here……the statement and actions of police has been really cheap…..the action of the newspaper is really ridiculous……..this shows how low the media goes to get some news………this also proves that anything sleazy sells whether it is a movie or news………
Another instance of our country being a land of contradictions
On one hand we have this crap…women being paraded naked..
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/sep242005/national1639332005923.asp
and on the other we have something beyond crap… women being arrested for obscene dressing.. kissing and DANCING!!!!!…
Dina Malur…is the champion of the dark ages …
What crap da…I just typed such a long comment and my computer froze….Long story short. Clubs are made so that they make money when men meet women, they have a nice time drinking/dancing/kissing. What is wrong with people in india? thank god my nick name is china…
Kissing in public..good issue.
To the Hindus:
Kissing can be banned in temples.
( Will they take out the statues of some gods they worship – arda nadheeswarar, some sex postioned statues, some nude statues, we all know what a lingam is)
All the gods show belly buttons.
What happens when college girls show it?
To the muslims:
Will they stop marrying a 100 times.
Will they stop the system of 3 word
divorce.(Exploited in parts of hyderabad- Shakes marry the previous night pay 10000 bucks to the family, next morning they divorce saying talak, talak talak.
If you can’t stop this legal prostitution then you can’t say anything against legal kissing.
To the commisioner:
Catch the school kids in theaters wathcing bit videos.
Ban those theaters first which show porn films and let school kids in.
Ban all the wine shops/bars which sell liquor to under 16-18 ( I am not sure what is the legal age in India)
Women/girls get molested in Pallavan daily…al you do is beat the guy and put him in jail.
It is equivalent to raping, you need to sentence these ppl to atleast 7 yrs in prison.
The law is not implemented in India but politics is.
Well regarding anandkumar’s question..
1. I would like to know how many of you would accept your own sisters and/or daughters (blood-relatives) being kissed in night bars by their boy-friends. Will affection/democracy still hold on?
As of now the answer will be yes and no. Depend’s on my sister’s age. Above 18 I dont have a say but to only advice that there are a lot of idiotic photographers out there who might publish it and call you names…do you want that to happen…living in such a society…better be invisible than be in the negative limelight.
Its a fragile issue when it comes to family and yes the way we behave will reflect on how others behave too…when we have a law that picture of a person ( not just kissing but pissing, eating standing, sitting) cannot be published in a public manner without their consent, and the person doing such an act is punished / can be sued. If there is such a law then I dont have problems at all. If not I certainly do have a problem, I dont want my family in the morning news.
Its off late that we have these kinds of crap…we never had this problem 5-6 years back. Why?
Suderman, me and my friends all had girl friends/boy friends (sorry sudhish I had to tell)
..hehe…
The reason is we did not do it that often…we were careful that our picture is not taken(we were afraid any aunty would see us and complain to our parents- forget photographs)…
What is privacy? A space of your own in public?
The line can be drawn for smoking.
Smoke ban in madras public places?
If I smoke on my compound wall and it reaches the road is it invasion?
maybe…but yeah passive smoking is what the ban was for…active smoking kills more than that…they should ban dum totally then…instead of telling superstar not to smoke…
well actually superstar took that step himself, so have some actors…they are afraid of the public view…Initially it was kareena kapoor kissing in a bar…now its some other women…she gets to sue the photographer and say comments like its not me- its morphed…but here poor managers are jailed…what can they do, seperate the couple from kissing..if the photographer was against it he/she should have done it himself. What a bunch of crap man…I feel sorry for the girls and the guys…being victimized…being made a taboo..
now technology and culture has improved..so the people cant help but being photographed and being published…
the need to be anonymous is there but you cant remain anonymous…we have your ip, we know what time you logged from what computer…so please anonymous people just tell your name…so that suderman does not use curse words…by the way sudhish…stop using the f word like you used to da…this goes to everyone…this website is not pg-13 and yeah kids might think suderman is like superman and start imitating your language…
yeah u are using (f****) but why do you think bollywood women show the navel alone…if you show the whole thing then its not interesting…it turns into bit movie.
so dont follow cheap bollywood woman policy…I understand you are angry at the bad people( see I try to use this rather than f****)
they are crappy…but either make ur website pg-13 or dont use bad language…we have a responsility you know….:)…
All I want to say to the commisioner who is against kissing …is 3 words.
“KISS MY ASS”
China, that is one-hell-of a comment (or is it a lecture!) on a great topic. Thanks to Sudhish for that. Talking of anonymity, let me reveal the real identity of china a.k.a Navin. 🙂 Sorry, machi. He He!
My 2 cents- not so long ago, there were huge hoardings of the ‘bite-the-lip’ scene featuring Simbu & Nayan. Not to mention about SJ Suryah’s movie hoardings. Now, were those f****** arrested? In fact, only such hoardings would entice kids to try out such pranks and not when someone kisses in a nightclub.
It’s a free country! Hamsini Ravi, 18, student.
I am not comfortable seeing people kissing each other in public-in India atleast. I have not visited any foreign country so far.
But night club is not a public place as in these sort of things are expected there.The mood is different and even the most traditional couple may end up kissing and hugging in a night club.
Moral policing by way of dress code and now this is beyond normal peoples understanding-may be it is just a way of publicity stunt
Dinamalar is one fu**in newspaper. They go on with their cheaprated double meaning ads( ‘Sundayna rendu’) , publish thirdrated obscene movie stills in their issues and now projects themself as a protector of tamil culture. Stupid fu**ers.
agree…sudhish..i am with you comrade !!
Why shud one crack down on two ppl expressing their love and support for each other? They are not titillating anyone or not asking anyone else to follow suit. It all depends on the society. Why shud v stop ppl 4m dng wht they want? R nt v beating down democracy here? Whats wrong in kissing man? After all they r nt mkng sex in public!
These kinda cheap stunts by policemen and politicians will bring them no support or votes ,anyday, if that’s what they are aiming at ! I think, the campaign should be really strong enough to set certain boundaries clear to the policemen, media and public. Draw the lines clearly , agreed by all the parties and let each one know their role & limits !
– Deepak Kumar , 23 , Systems engineer
I think we should take pride in our culture. Snogging someone at a private party is a definite no no. Women and men should not be allowed to mingle, I have heard from my Grandmother about how the women of the house were segregated from the men, I think we should bring back those days and preserve the Tamizh bloody culture. Bullocks to this, I need to calm down.
hehhe uma ;p
sudhish my comments are on my blog – i wrote in protest to the stupid papers actions. its long
First of all suderman! Great to see you writing abt all of this!! First it was dress codes in AU colleges and now this!!
Kissing in public:
Well, i think its a matter of opinion and more upto the two ppl who are involved. If they are comnfortable doing it in places where there are people ( not necessarily public places), then they should be left to mind their own business!!!
With regards to other arbit issues, moral policing should be left to parents of the youth!! If the parents themselves don’t mind their daughters going out at night or if they are ready to accept that their daughters are mature enough to know where to draw the line, then its nobody’s business to stop them! I believe if ppl are old enuf to vote or drive and make decisions, then they are definitely old enuf to know what to wear and how to carry themselves.
Note tht i am referring only to women as all this seems to target them only!!
Bottomline, let the police tend to more demanding businesses like solving murders, thefts and other major crimes rather than poking their useless noses into other people’s affairs.
I agree tht the older generation will frown upon this but then, times are changing. Who knows, when we are old, the younger generation might be even more indulgent and open abt a lot of things
Abhishek Gopal, 21, Student, Final yr Engg
Dude, as a society we have been extremely secretive about sex. Sex is taboo, women are sacred- BS
“After South Africa, we have the highest number of HIV positives.Now if we are what we proclaim…’Sex is something between the husband and wife within their four walls’ there shouldn’t be instances of aids in our sacred nation.”-Auto Driver, Teynampet
Only if we were a little open minded, we wouldn’t have reporters and deputy commissioners of such kind.
I wouldn’t mind people kissing in public, but saying that, I wouldn’t want them to kiss in front of a primary school.
Kissing in Public by two consenting adults is not obscene, not even in place of temples; I recently read some news on some couple getting into trouble for this. Why do we have all those amazing sculptures that show people in various intimate positions?
How about taking action against those asses for invading privacy of these people?
Karthek , 27, Philadelphia,
Kissing in public is not obscene. `Kissing` is an act of love. No matter where., in the road or in the bedroom., if the moment where love had to be expressed is lost., it _is_ lost. Unexressed love is as good as no love at all.
People who call kissing as obscene are perverts who look at `a kiss` merely in the sexual point of view and nothing more. I pity those morons., coz they dont know about the amount of love and affection that you get to realize. I really pity their women who’ve lived their lives as mere machines full-filling lust.
Am I living in a country where sages wrote about Kamasutra?? Maybe I should consider getting out of here.
Sudhish,
With the all the recent episodes in tamil nadu (anna university dress code, khusboo remark episode and this one), it looks like tamil nadu has become another taliban!
Regarding, the kissing in public, I do think ethos vary from place to place. In a soceity as conservative as indian, such changes should be gradual I feel. Like first the society should overcome the stigma associated with love marriages esp. inter-caste, inter-religious one i.e otherwise, in an immature society like chennai, it could very well lead to more serious forms of eve-teasing. But nevertheless it is not an issue of Police, let policemen do actual law and order work rather moral policing. Let those morons just work on providing security to women against eve-teasing.
I mention eve teasing again and again coz in my experience it exists only in india and the worst is chennai. I have been to bangalore and bombay and situation seems to be much better there. Here in US, it is non-existent.
Anukris
PS: I really can’t believe they are still pulling the women is reason for all immoral things in society crap. Will these people actually ever change?
being in d media myself i hv always felt v shld take d society 4wrd.. show thm windows to d world. but Yes we are going towards a regressive society. gender issues r nevr gonna end, right of thot, creed n deed is going to b a dream unless a new gen crops up.. a new gen tat can stand up & say ‘i hv gt every right to b myself’ instead of jus sayin ‘thank god i bring up my two children in america’! hey n kudos to u for vocing this!
Kudos to you Sudderman! Nice article in The Hindu.
Here in the US even high Schools don’t have a right to tell their students what they can wear.. and i have thought 11th grade Math in a US School.. and i have seen girls come in Britney Spears costume..It is their right to do what they want. if you dont like it.. close your eyes.
I have seen countries become more liberal. India is the only democratic country which likes to go the Taliban way!!
-Patrick
Charlotte, NC, USA
Glad that Sudhish has brought up tihs discussion.. Its about time we had this dicussion.. Though its happening in a smaller level, I would love to see this dicussion taking steps beyond the virtual confines of this computer/internet and happening in the tea shops, college canteens, bus stops, etc.
That’s when we would really see a meaningful dialogue and a useful out come..To make myself clear, I’m totally in support your views, Suderman..Can;t agree with you more when you said ” are you retogressing, as a society”..
Whatever the women of our nationa acheived in the past couple of decades, have definitely gone down the tubes with them allowing the Media and some section of the Goevrnment (police in particular) to regulate and dictate what they have to wear and hw they have to talk and how thy have to behave.. Who the **** are they to tell them what is good for women..
Last night I was watching on PBS, familiar TV channel for those living in the US, about the turning points of the 1960s that changed the American political landscape..One of the most important things highlighted was the Women’s liberation movement that orginated in the classroom during a protest march, where the protesters squatted in protest of managemet policies at Columbia Univ., NY. With that small discussion held by a bunch of women, out came the ferocious movement for their RIGHTs.. Now, I see the need for something like that in TN, as well the whole of India..In general, our women are too timid.. They are hesitatnt to stand- up and fight for their rights.. They expect everything to be handed out in a silver platter .. Break Out, Women.. get a life.. Get a greathe of Fresh Air.. Stand-up and fight for your rights.. and the most shameful thing that we see is that TN is one of the very few states that boasts a woman at the helm of Government Affairs..Poor Jaya! She is consitently proving worthless when it comes to protecting women’s rights..
Shame on us! We are still letting this happen..Aren’t we all spineless bastards? Looks like we are as we stand mute to this madness and not moving a twig to question these “moral-nazis”
wow…i just wish to say that agree with some point in everyone’s comment.
created a blog so that i can introduce this blog to all. http://sine-qua-non.blogspot.com/2005/09/rant.html
she is from chennai and currently doing her mba at iima
hey sudhish!!
am so glad you’ve taken this up…first they banned vagina monologues in chennai…now this khushboo thing and the park galatta…we’re seriously becoming like some crazy afghan nation…we shd make this a serious campaign!! will talk to ro tomo.
shalini.
Hmmmm….These arseholes are screwing up Chennai with their hyped up sense of morality! And half these bastards have skeletons on their own cupboards! Bunch of hypocrites! First the Anna Nagar Park incident, now this!
thillalangadi: Whats your point? 🙂 I think Suze has been blogging for a long time now. Anyways thanx for the re-intro 🙂
I’m personally not for kissing in public but its surely not obscene or immoral.I just think such intimacy should be confined to a private place which a night club surely is.What the newspaper and the police was sheer atrocity and they have to be made to pay for it.The people who were photographed have to sue the damn paper for invasion of privacy and defamation.It started with the ridiculous dress code imposed by Anna University.I cannot imagine going to college looking like a sales rep everyday!The Kushboo episode was even worse.She was just expressing her opinion.Don’t we have the freedom of speech anymore in TamilNadu?There is no society more hypocritic and narrow minded than the Tamil society.Mind you, I’m a Tamilian from Chennai and I’m really glad that I’m living in the US now.
Is a place where you have 500 other people next to you anything but private?? I think a night club is a public space that you’ve paid to use to have a great time…private has a totally different meaning, doesn’t it machaan?
With you sudhish,
Aravind Sankaran, 27, carbondale IL 62901 (thiruvanmiyur chennai 600041, india)
suj im proud of u for bringing this up. i could write a book on this topic… cuz its so damn STOOPID!!! i live in australia.. so maybe some people may think i dont have a right to say anything abt what going on in india but as a human being and a female, i believe i have every right.. no 1, i cant beleive india is now opposing showing affection in public or even making out in clubs… i know that here clubs would run outta business if that was the case! everyone knows clubs are pick up joints and if u dont like that sorta stuff then u dont go to a club. im not even so worried abt this kissing in public thing but what im really worried abt is the status and rights of women in indian society. it seems that even in the kissing incident only the women are to be jailed… whats up wit that???
and this khushboo thing…!!!??? i mean they built khushboo a temple when she was wearing nice lil outfits giggling at the heroes and being nothing more than a sexual object to be fantasized abt but now that she actually showed that she has her own free will (and god forbid!!) free will in relation to sex! there’s all this drama???!! this is ridiculous!! this is not just an issue of sexual expression/oppression its abt choice and more than anything it looks to me like some of india doesnt want women to have one at all!ladies… rise and shine pls… do something abt this.. or ur not gonna be allowed outta ur houses soon… although i live in a diff country u have all my support n i totally feel ur pain.
ghirijha
sandeep:
a disco is not a public place in the sense that it is not open to all, it’s a club which is open only for its members who pay a fee to avail certain services that they all want to share. even the lighting in a nightclub is to to protect those who do not want to be seen. in an environment which is naturally dark, when you use flashlights and megapixels to click pictures without their permission, u are invading someone’s privacy.
damn have to be careful cant be kissin tany in public now !!
Sandeep a company which has 500 employees can be private.
A club which has 500 people who have paid for being inside, to have a private time, is private.
The number of people does not matter.
A club can have it’s own rules on kissing or not kissing…you cannot smoke in a bus stop..but you can smoke in a night club if it the club allows you to…
If there is no policy about kissing then an individual can do it in a private place or a public place.
Why doesn’t Dina malar take pictures of men pissing near the bus stop rather than taking picures of women kissing in nightclubs.
A bus stop is public and a night club is private.
A college which has 5000 people can be a private college.
If you still dont know the meaning of private then go check in dictionary.com, one of the sentence they use is:
Designed or intended for one’s exclusive use: a private room.
Of or confined to the individual; personal: a private joke; private opinions.
Not available for public use, control, or participation: a private club; a private party.
PRIVACY: The state of being free from intrusion or disturbance in one’s private life or affairs.
If the girl is not kissing you then she is not invading your privacy. If you take a photo of hers while kissing someone it is INVASION OF HER PRIVACY.
and by the way read your blog on it…the last line………but when you’re photographed doing it in a public place…don’t crib or cringe. You might not have asked for it but you might just get it…
If it was anywhere else in the world other than india..the girl would be suing the photographer who took it and the magzine which published it…
only in india they have to fear that they will get arrested.
Like someone said…kissing in public is a matter of personal choice…i for one wudnt do it in public..no moral strings attached but jus for the sake of privacy ..but if some people are comfortable enough to do it, its absolutely left to them…but looking at the things happening around me the devil within me wants to cry out loud..’I definitely am willing to be sensitive to what my friends feel but why on this bloody earth shud i give a rats ass about what some arbit fucks think/say?!’ there is no such thing as traditional/non traditional couples…libido knocks the brain …there u are.. wanting to ‘atleast’ do something…this is as far as kissing in public goes… but looking at the other side of the coin, I personally have been a victim of people who are close to making babies in the little dingy areas of the discs…which is totally unwarranted…simply because a, its not safe b, I am sure if such people were saner they would never ever dream of doing such a thing…c, they ‘could’ be a little sensitive to public…
There is no concept of privacy in India…these stupid fucks keep harping about how even the judicial system of British has borrowed from what we call law conjured by Manu but they are spurious enough to take things that are convenient to them ‘alone’. as a matter of fact Manu himself was a bigot (whats with the whole deal of gender role specifications and women are meant only for progeny??) This is to say that there is no separate law as far as infringement of privacy is concerned in this country…
Throwing a fit to ‘so called’ alien concepts in our country is not a new thing…I can trace this back to ‘Fire’…oh what a big fiasco that was?? What they call taboos are being practiced day in and day out in this place…people here like to look at ‘sex’ or even the slightest physical gesture as a crime…ask a conservative woman if shes horny in a language that she understands…she’d probably burn u alive with her stare (power of patis-so they say) but she’d be humping her hubby 12 times a day like those of dawgs n bunnies…such is the state of attitude of most Indians…they like to live in denial the rest of their lives…’acceptance’ is foreign… empathy is void…sympathy is overrated…in short…most Indians are the worlds biggest hypocrites…for those who keep rambling on about our ‘rich’ Indian culture…there is no culture left in this place…when I think of our culture I want to laugh…we’ve tried hard enough to borrow and steal from all over the world…that we have one big warped concept of what our culture really is…the day will still come when people try hard finding out what ‘Indian’ culture really was……
-Ananya
China, the question here was whether a night club was a public or private place…If you still can’t figure out the difference, i guess the place is called school and not dictionary.com, Thank you!
guys,
no fighting… at least not among ourselves. 🙂
im quoting some blogs and posts in my story for tomorrow. will try and use the rest of the quotes for another feature on Are we becoming a regressive society?
cheers people and thanks a ton!
actually in anna univ,the dress code and cellphone rules have not been put into action.they keep threatening tht they’ll take action,just to instill fear.this piece of info comes frm a student of tht AU,who’s me(You may disclose this in The Hindu but please dont publish my name).
It is “policing” that is necessary,not “moral policing”.It’s needed to keep drug-peddlers at bay.As long as u booze in a pub,u’re safe.But once u start consuming drugs,u’re gone.Hope Commissioner natraj makes note of this.
I dislike any kind of imposition. I dont even go as far as opposing double standards. For any person, forcing something on him, for the action of him which is causing no direct harm to others.
Banning smoking on screen, banning books, banning movies everything in a way finally is a form of restricting someone, which is not right.
Please Sudhish, post the links of the features you will be doing for paper. Thanks.
-Ravi 24 Engineer
Regarding the dress code implemented by Anna University, I guess the thing would be to ask students to have a lollypop instead of coffee and snacks in the interval!
Who the hell are they to tell us what to wear and what not to?
Shame on Dinamalar/Tamil Murasu. Shame on the Govt. for taking action via the police on the hotel.
I believe that Men /Women have te equal rights to do anything.
I don’t have any problems with doing anything in private parties.
What does our constitution say.? Isn’t India a Democracy? Can we kiss our spouses and girlfriends / boyfriends in private?
What next, should we close our bedroom windows?
china/sandeep:
let me repeat. i dont want any fights here. i guess we’ve all made our points and there is no need to repeat them. cheers guys! 🙂
Sorry sudhish…
could not control but laugh…
seri here are some links that might be interesting
anna univ research link
http://www.annauniv.edu/research/index.html
what is seen here is women clad in jeans and skirts. If they want to practice what they preach, why have double standards at all?
Research they are nowhere compared to Stanford or IIT for that matter.
In policies they are next to taliban.
fight continued here
http://navinmuthuswamy.blogspot.com/
We people in tamilnadu draw a circle in the name of culture around us and live within it instead of living a life of our own. kissing in public is considered obscene because of this invisible circle around us. It is our own decision to live within or come out of this circle…..
There is nothing right or wrong about Kissing in the public places.
Same way, there is nothing really write and wrong about indulging in sexual acts in public places.
We inSave Indian Family believe one should do what s/he would like to do. Only condition is that it has to happen harmoniously in that society and it must not infringe unon other’s rights.
Many people in Europe often remain naked in the house (in front of their children).
Hey, sorry suddu…did’nt mean to start a fight to begin with. Anyways…hope we can change something and stop the police from being moral police and finding better things to do!
truce sandeep..will delete the post…
Although i agree that intimate moments are best shared intimately. Kissing is hardly intimate. And in a disc more so. Getting it to be shot and publishing it is the limit.Arresting the hotel managers, the last straw. Grow up guys. Seriously.
What is the Indian Culture that these SO CALLED guardians to the Indian/Tamil culture and the culture vutures talkin about?
For Eff’s sake till we inherited the Victoria Morals we Sexually free and women had more rights and dignity…..Scandinavia and Denmark are just now reaching levels we had set Millenia back
Some examples of Indian Culture
Legalised Prostitution : Kautilyas Arthasashtra Clearly says that ALL BROTHELs have to be state owned…this for intelligence gathering purposes
Going further back in time…the Mohendjordaro and Harrapan civilisations Glorified Dancing Girls AND the female form and immortalised them into the world famous figurines…and here u have some girls wearing low cut Tops(heck my girl friend of 7 years wears even more REVEALING stuff…does it mean she is a Slut???) and they are called sluts….In the Ramayana when Sita is introduced to us, every part of her body is described in great detail…
Karna is an Illegitmate Child for petes sake
Khusbhoo is censured for her PRIVATE VIEWS on Pre Marital Sex
Even our Lord Shiva is supposed to stand for the Phallus and fertility…and the Tandav is sppsed to be the dance of fertility
Is this the culture that our Culture vultures are defending?
Till 200 300 years ago….Women in many parts of the country never wore Upper body clothes(they in essence were topless 300 years before the GString and the Bikini was invented)
Now AnnA University bans Jeans and a lot of other assorted stuff
This is a whole lot of bull shit(forgive me for my excessive use of profanity but am enraged over this issue)
Now to specifics about this park hotel case….I just saw the movie AhAHH….The Heroine in the first scene leans and shows MORE CLevage than the Poor babes in the Dina Malar Pictures…and the hero in a latter scene shoves the sari into the Heroines Abdo area(all in full close up) so were these guys arrested…so in essence if the people doing such “OBSCENE” acts are paid for it, and do it in front of an audience of lakhs its okay…but
A Couple doing a bit of cuddling in front of 200(MAX) other Like minded people is made out to be an Effin orgy….I WISH I WAS IN THOSE SNAPS…I WOULD HAVED SUED THESE Media jokerss for every last paisa
Lastly somebody aptly said….If they want the American Dollar…they bloody well put up with this.
AND LASTLY the only thing I can do is EXHORT ALL OF US EDUCATED YOUNG URBAN INDIANS TO VOTE…only if we vote and take an active part in the say of this GREATEST country of ours will things improve
Sayanora
A bit of typos here and there…
Also a TO DO List for our dear commisioner and the BRAVE MEDIA
(1) Organised Crime and gangs : AM Sure that the Bandobast utilised in this Brave raid on the Dangerous Park hotel could have been better utilised in raiding a illegal Arrack Manufacturing site
(2) EVE TEASING : A major issue….a Girl or for that matter even middle aged woman cant travel in our buses without getting molested
(3) And if they gonna arrest the women in the park hotel…please arrest EVERY single hero and Heroine to have ever graced the Tamil film industry…and arrest the Lyric writers…some of those songs are really so OBSCENE that it turns my ears purple
(4) The Tamil media when was the last time u exposed Corruption in the Police or our Government….When was the last time u ran a Series on the States infrastructure issues, whn was the last time u ran a petition campaign for a Desalination plant…the city is dying of thirst for gods sake.
Also stop running ur weekly cinema express(for those of u who havent seen it…..it is full of scantily dressed women not even Famous actress but some third rate starlets
And once again to the police…why is there no equality in ur approach…I mean some girls are drinkng in a place with a license to serve alcohol and u threaten them with arrest…but Trisha gets drunk with a coupla friends and has a mini party in a road and u let her of with a warning? Why
Thats all folks
Sayanora
And this goes to the women here…If viewed from above doesnt even a normal Dress show some clevage because of the angle? If so none Dina Malar is responsible for the indecent exposure.
ps does this place have an edit button?
Another Random thought….If a place as controlled as Dubai, or heck even our Bangalore can recognise the fact that with a booming population comes a floating Male population and for whom there has to be an “OUTLET” and turn a blind eye to OPEN prostitution(MG Road anybody)….why are the cops here going ten steps back????
I wanted to say with a booming Economy comes a Big floating population
Damn I do need a Edit button
I don’t think one can definitely ban kissing in public. If the public knows when and where to kiss based on common sense, why should we be having a problem? The media is just a messed up institute whose literary skills are slowly fading away. Thus I don’t think it’s any worth to ban kissing in public based on a set of stupendous findings of a sardonic system . It’s not like kissing hurts anyone, unless of course someone is forced to be kissed. Why don’t they ban smoking instead of kissing? It’ll be a lot better for the environment atleast. If people start repressing kissing, who knows what type of kiss-deprived psychopaths we’ll have lurking around? It’s not like we’re a communist country or one with a dictator, supposed to be a free country…where the hell did all the freedom go?
“man must see beyond good and evil, and must reject the illusion of moral judgment. There are no moral facts, only moral interpretations of facts. Morality interprets phenomena, but actually misinterprets them.
The means by which morality is enforced are actually immoral. Morality attempts to ‘improve’ human beings by weakening and subjugating them. Morality is only useful as a form of sign-language to describe the realities of culture and psychology.”
FRIEDRICH NEITZCHE
Hi Sudhish,
I totally agree with you and my friend Narayanan (Venkitu).
there are more grave issues in india to be looked into – rather than taking crappy spycam pics and publishing them with more crap.
“much ado about nothing”.
the private party episode, wasnt necessary at all on a newspaper’s front page.
Thomas Friedman says India IS the Future. The more our people start understanding that, the better it is, for us Indians.
Regards
Sriram